The OP on this post said that 5 persons got left behind even though announcements were made. So obviously your announcements system doesn't work on its own. You even suggested that the 5 may have been ordering a last round of drinks.

So that is why some airline people need to be fired, and people like me be hired to do some of the thinking to ensure that passengers don't wander far away. This voucher system is so good, even Bob started begging for his. Unfortunately I had to put my foot down on this one, because the airline can't afford to pay for his bistro meal.

How can the cost of printing the vouchers' be prohibitive? As an airline rep, I would make it my business to keep the names of the closest food vendors near to each gate and make prearrangements with all vendors. So once I hear that there is a 3 hour delay at say Gate 31, I go to my computer and pull up the template with vouchers. All I do is insert the date and the names of the vendors near to Gate 31, and the flight number and print 200 vouchers or how many are needed. On my computer and printer it costs 2 cents per page to print. About 10 vouchers will fit per page. That's all of 40 cents for the entire 200 vouchers and it takes 5 minutes. When the flight leaves I go to the two vendors near the gate, collect all the spent vouchers to arrange for payment to them.

Come on Judge, you didn't really need a genius like me to work out that the entire cost of printing vouchers for that flight was just 40 cents, did you?

airlinesmustpay, are you selfcentered? you seem to think that if you were in charge than everything would be A ok, remember power goes to the head, and things like this isnt like a quick easy fix or a snap of the fingers, yes maybe it sounds like a good plan but guess what many times things do not go according to plans, if it is an ATC delay than they can leave at any second and with people going away with your vouchars than they miss their slot and than have to wait even longer (and may demand another vouchar) and than you have to use economics (and your version is just completely off) there is research that goes into this to see if it is even worthwhile (happens in every business, no one will waste money unless they HAVE to) than they would have to get the names of every restaurant/concession stand at EVERY airport they fly to near each gates.....ya see it all adds up.....these vouchars cost the airline more than 2c's per page since by your calculations it would really be $1600.20 (200vouchars at $8 +40c to print the vouchars) just for that one plane at one airport........lets say its weather related, you really think that only 1 plane will be effected? nope and than it happens on more than one occasion unless there is only 1 delay a lifetime.........do the math its alot more expensive than you are thinking

maybe it is a nice gesture, but its not economical and if you did that than guess who wont have a job at the end of the day

airlinesmustpay, are you selfcentered? you seem to think that if you were in charge than everything would be A ok, remember power goes to the head, and things like this isnt like a quick easy fix or a snap of the fingers, yes maybe it sounds like a good plan but guess what many times things do not go according to plans, if it is an ATC delay than they can leave at any second and with people going away with your vouchars than they miss their slot and than have to wait even longer (and may demand another vouchar) and than you have to use economics (and your version is just completely off) there is research that goes into this to see if it is even worthwhile (happens in every business, no one will waste money unless they HAVE to) than they would have to get the names of every restaurant/concession stand at EVERY airport they fly to near each gates.....ya see it all adds up.....these vouchars cost the airline more than 2c's per page since by your calculations it would really be $1600.20 (200vouchars at $8 +40c to print the vouchars) just for that one plane at one airport........lets say its weather related, you really think that only 1 plane will be effected? nope and than it happens on more than one occasion unless there is only 1 delay a lifetime.........do the math its alot more expensive than you are thinking

maybe it is a nice gesture, but its not economical and if you did that than guess who wont have a job at the end of the day

let me add the $2,500 to your idea of vouchars to the 5 people who missed the flight

remember the vouchars must have value otherwise they would not be accepted by the people providing the food, they would make no money in that

you gotta look at the whole thing not just a quick scenerio that isnt thought out, otherwise everyone would be running to fedexkinkos to photocopy money and other things worth value and than find out that they just wasted 40c for the copies since they are not usable and have a valid code on them

AMP.....man, where were you when I needed good agents for delays?? Sounds easy, doesn't it?

So the next day, you're assigned to a different unit in the airport. Nowhere near where you were yesterday. You gonna go negotiate a contract with those vendors too? (never mind remembering you have no authority to do so). Your plans sound great but the big picture won't allow it. Stick to law issues where you say your education is and I'll stick to my Singha beers and shelling out the occasional comment.

Sadly this is an attempt at humor and it's just... sad.

Mars, this guy has a habit of overlooking post and focusing on items that he deems pertinent, which is usually miles off from the discussion at hand.

But I think everyone can agree, we should all fly AMP's airline; think of all the worthless travel voucher's we'd get. I say worthless because if he ran things, he'd be fast to go out of business giving away the house in food, travel, possibly hotel vouchers..... yea let's rack em up!

Bob, you were begging for a voucher for La petit Bistro. This is what you said:




Why dont you good airline people get it? Your methods are not working! Of course it is true that announcements should be made and passengers should listen.

But that is not sufficient. The OP, a Delta employee said that five people were left behind. We are talking about a situation where Delta had to find five free seats on the next flight for them. Obviously these flights are full because he talked about standby passengers on the first flight. So by not being able to manage the situation, you are depriving the airline of revenue for the 5 seats that they had to use on the next flight.

When there is a delay we all know that agents are hard to find. Maybe they are somewhere inside relaxing, drinking coffee, but they should be within sight to answer questions, reminding passengers to stay near the gate. When passengers see a deserted gate, they are more likely to wander away.

My method will save the airline having to compensate complaining passengers who got left behind. That's $500 saved per passenger. Since I warned them to stay near the gate (I'm not seeing Judge or any airline employee say that they do that) and handed out vouchers, I'm not going to be putting them free just like that on any other flight, And Bob, about the cost of the $8, didn't you say that Continental already does that at Newark? So about the $1,600 cost, you say it's already being done. But it is done without any forethought, because like Judge said, once it is a voucher for use anywhere, people will use it to sit in a bar and miss their flights.

I don't understand why Judge thinks I have to negotiate a new contract if I am shifted to another area. On behalf of the airline, I have already negotiated with all the Food Vendors and keep on computer a list of all vendors near each gate. Regardless of who is at which gate, the agent will go to the computer and print the vouchers valid only for those vendors for that date. The agent collects the used vouchers immediately after the flight leaves.

This thread shows me that part of the problems of airlines are caused by agents not being able to think of simple solutions to assist passengers. All this "Sorry Sir" and "Sorry Madam" with their heads high in the air, comes from not understanding their role in what should be a customer oriented industry. When they see that their jobs are to get things done efficiently, they might begin to look for solutions to simple problems like these.

Now if I was the airline manager (I've been promoted), I would call the agent responsible, and ask if he specifically told all passengers that they should remain at the gate (I will also ask the passengers), and if he can't convince me that he did, I will give each passenger a $500 voucher and deduct this from the agent's salary.

Sad, just sad. I said if you are gonna quote me, quote me in the context of the discussion, there wasno begging by me or anyone, read the entire statement. All of which were in response to your giving vouchers to concessions near the gate.

The airlines methods may not work perfectly, but they work in the sense as to not create total chaos or total loss of business, which is what your methods seem to show Airline.

The last time they offered meal vouchers, it was for a delay more than 3 hours. I believe most airlines follow that rule already. And i don't believe they would use it to sit in a bar and we've all agreed that gate agents should inform passengers, during a delay when to come back for updates. (at least i think we agree on that?)


Soooooooo you would fine the agent, because he did not tell the passengers to stay near the gate? Not only that, but he has to convince you that he (or she) did? Yea your solutions suck and you sir are a joke times 20. But I will say that, I definitely would love to fly your airline, especially out of the NY/NJ area. given the amount of delays here I would score a voucher every time. Not only that, but I can get my fellow passengers to state that the agent did not announce for us to stay near the gate. 1 person can't be convincing but a mob can, and by your methods, we'd all get 500 vouchers.

You sir are not only FAIL, but as the kids say, you are EPIC FAIL. But please start that airline company soon, ok?

Back to announcements not being heard.

As my folks always said, "You were given two ears, two eyes, and one mouth, so the almighty decided that listening and watching was more important than talking."

At at the airport, I watch the clock, and LISTEN. Even when I'm with someone, I don't chat much so I don't miss anything. Plenty of time to chat once on board.

Bob, you've gone from begging for vouchers to trickery. Now that I know we are dealing with a trickster, it's a good time to tell you that some airlines record all their announcements. And with me as manager, we'll be sure to record all our announcements. If there was any doubt, I'll resolve it in favour of the passenger. So the agent had better stay at the gate and every ten minutes remind all passengers to stay near the gate for further boarding instructions.

Judge, a former airline supervisor, thought they were using vouchers for a last round at the bar. I believe him that this is sometimes done.

With me in charge you'll get no $500 vouchers, because when you get left behind because you were on your phone or in the bistro, you'll have yourself to blame because my agents will have been warning you to stay around at the gate. You'll have to pay for the change if you want to go on another flight, and if you're not careful, I might even call airport security for you and your mob. Instead of a hotel voucher, you might be spending the night courtesy the state of New York in a cell in the police station (but I can't guarantee that you'll like the accommodations there) and next morning appear in a Court to answer the charge of making a fraudulent claim.

since you keep going on about a $500 vouchar.......
say you brought a ticket for $350 that means the vouchar is worth more than the actual ticket, again terrible business plan, that would mean that if they all paid the same price for the ticket (a. i know thats not likely just hypothetical, b. the 5 people) that means the airline just shelled out $750 (150x5=750) of a loss (1750 total cost of 5 tickets, 2500 worth in vouchars so that also shows a loss of 750 to the airline) yeah thats not going to happen in any scenerio, they would give you a credit for your next flight not a vouchar.

You dont seem to grasp the economics or business sense, and i would agree with Bob and fly with you for maybe 2 times because your solutions will lead to a out of business airline, your solutions DO NOT work on any level, and if you worked for an airline than they would keep you far away from any decisions that lead to money being spent or economics, or for that matter business decisions.

logically the math is simple and all you will see is red all over the earnings and expense worksheet, with no way to make up that money the way you would run business

Gromit just said we have two ears and two eyes and only one mouth. I agree fully. We should be listening twice as much and looking twice as much as using our mouths. But here is Bob using his mouth to be on the phone, using his mouth to eat in a Bistro far from the gate, using his mouth to beg for vouchers and he just used his mouth to mobilize passengers to make a fraudulent claim. Now he will be using his mouth to explain to the Judge why he should not spend some time in jail. Remember the customers who found a finger at Wendy's. They got nine years in jail each. That's what you're now looking at Bob. I don't think Bob will any longer be an airline sympathizer as the airline has caused him to go in jail. Bob, in 9 years time when you get out, you can ask the Administrator of this site to remove the "Airline Sympathizer" tag.

airlinesmustpay, please read the WHOLE segment of what people are saying and its meaning in context, you see certain things and take it out of context and sometimes for what it is meant

people need two ears because listening has gone down the drain

Again you misquote me and again you keep getting it wrong, it's really quite sad. I admit that I missed my flight because I was on the phone, again read the ENTIRE statement, don't pick and choose then misconstrue it to your own effect (which really isn't helping your case in any way), show me where I stated that I "begged" for a voucher? Again reread the entire statement. LOL Where did the Wendy's finger case and me being sent to jail 9 years come in? Dude you make absolutely no sense. But thanks for the laugh.

Super Epic Fail

SilentBob,

You did say something to the effect that you and other passengers would get together to lie against the agent to say that there were no announcements, in order to get $500 vouchers. It seems to me that the similarity to the Wendys finger case is that the customers there lied about finding a finger in their bowl of chili in order to make a false claim.

You might have been joking, of course (although I don't hear you say so), but from how I see it Mr Airlinesmustpay is using whatever you say to poke some fun at you and he appears to be succeeding.

Is it me, or does it seem interesting that about the time Butch stopped posting, AirlinesMustPay started posting?

Tag Team?

Airlinesmustpay said he was called to the bar in Britain. The more he comments the clearer it becomes what kind of bar it is. He obviously stayed there too long to follow an argument or make coherent responses.

Silent Bob is right, he has been misquoted repeatedly. Most of what Bob said was in the context of what could happen under the AMP proposals, e.g. he could get a mob of people to lie about the announcement to get the $500.00 voucher. It neither indicated he would or intended to do so. It was merely an example. AMP lacks the coherent, logical, and consistent thinking one would expect of an attorney in his arguments and discussions.

Are we facing another conspiracy Gromit? Heaven help us all!!

Sorry Sinbad, but you also FAIL, but in an even more hysterical fashion. My statement wasn't said towards any agent, it was said towards airlinesmustpay. secondly, I don't think he was poking fun, because its not the first time. So let me guess, this is the part where AMP comes out and says "AHA, gotcha!" Yea that's not gonna fly. Please read the entire statement.

I'm sure in the time I worked for my wonderful employer, I did not EVERYTIME tell a passenger to stay in the gate area in case he/she decided to take a walk. I would also like to say that a passenger missing a delayed flight that he/she has already checked in for is extremely rare. I can't remember even 1 time where it happened on a flight when I was working it. But yes, AMP, I did advise pax to remain in the area, especially on weather delays unless they needed a restroom break. Did they listen?? I guess so cuz as I said, nobody missed a delayed flight I worked. I must have done at least one thing right.

The voucher issue you keep talking about. Computer generated vouchers, at least the airline I worked for, were valid for 24 hours from issue date at any airport or flight taken. They were not airport specific nor airport area specific. What if a pax wants a pizza and Pizza Hut is on the other side of the airport? Are they gonna demand we move gates or bring Pizza Hut closer? What if they don't like the vendors that are in the area?? Then as far as the agent collecting the vouchers after a flight? Are you serious?? This has to be a wind-up.

Again, stick to law, AMP. I hope you're better at that than the potential you show as an airline employee. :)

Policy for the airline I work for, is that you are supposed to be on the aircraft NO LATER than 15 minutes prior to the departure time of the flight. At the airport I work at, local management gives us an extra 5 minutes to allow people to make the flight, so we have a local airport policy of being on the aircraft NO LATER than 10 minutes prior to departure. Once 10 minutes prior to departure as come, if you aren't boarded, we unseat you, and give your seat to standby passengers. If there is a delay, we tell people to stay in the gate area, as delays can often change. A one hour delay can become 30 minutes, for example, instead of an hour.

The way I do it, when boarding a delay. Once I board the majority of the passengers, to where maybe just a few are still missing, I will make a final boarding call, and call those passengers by name. I will then give them a few minutes to get to the flight. I will also note on my PA announcement that the flight will close in, for example, "three minutes". Once that three minutes has come and passed, if they don't show, I unseat them, and give their seats away.

I give passengers every opportunity to make a flight, but I will not delay a flight, or delay a flight further, because people can't get to the airport, or the gate on time.

Silent Bob

This is what you said. You can get your fellow passengers to state that the agent did not announce for you to stay near the gate.


This is a fictitious scenario in which scenario you participated and where you were a passenger. And what you were clearly saying that in this scenario you "can" get your fellow passengers to lie against the agent.

It is only a question of semantics whether you used the word "can". If you did lie you would be in the same category as the Wendy customers - lying to make a false claim.

If while going through airport security you say something like "I can explode this bomb" pointing to your bag you can be sure that even if there is not a bomb in the bag, they will not let you through security.

If while in an argument you say, "I can get my mob to beat you", The fact that you use the word can and not "will" does not save you.

You cant threaten to d something illegal.

If you are charged you can try bringing your MIckey mouse lawyer from Orlando to convince the judge that you had no intention of doing it.

But in a discussion like this, it is at leave a very inappropriate remark to make to say you can get your mob to do something that is in effect to make a fraudulent claim if you actually did it.It shows the kind of person you are

Sinbad, I didn't say i would get a mob to lie against the agent "just to do it", I said what I said in response to a already hypothetical situation (Airlinemustpay pretending to be an airline rep). Read everything slowly and yee shall understand.

What I find most curious and I think others will to is how you both seem to have this strange ability to pick things out of a paragraph and somehow take it completely out of context to what was said..... dare I say that you are one and the same? I think given the evidence from the discussion it would appear so.

Or have you both banded together just to get a rise out of the group? It would seem the only thing you have done is shown your ignorance by ignoring simple forum conduct, which is "read before you type". Like why would you reply to something and not know what we're talking about and then take a phrase and twist it in such a way as to "attempt" to make the other person look bad, again, sadly it doesn't. Not only do you lose credibility, but you make it so no one will respond and/or ignore you.

So if you wanna keep playing this game, be my guest. I'm just gonna sit back with my cocktail and enjoy the fallout of both you (or just the one person) being the laughing jokes of this board. And believe me... you are.

By the same reasoning, you Silent Bob, Mars and the Mickey Mouse lawyer must be one and the same person, because you three are dishing up the same garbage, no doubt with the same agenda. Or what do you do, call up each other to decide how you could get together to discourage passengers from getting redress? Nothing any of you three say make any sense and I cant believe you are really that dimwitted. Maybe its too many cocktails and these are the ravings of a drunken man.

You keep on complaining of being misquoted. What does the words, "Why cant have a voucher" mean? Like a little boy tugging at his mommy's skirt and saying "Why cant I have an ice-cream?" what does he mean other than that he is begging for an ice-cream. If your "Why can't I have a voucher" does not mean that you were begging for one, you have not been able to say that you did mean? If it did mean something other than that you were begging for a voucher, you would have been able to say what you did mean.

So just try to complete this sentence: "When I said 'why cant I have a voucher' what I really meant was ... "

You really can't can you? When you sober up after your cocktails, try again.

Why are you telling me that you did not say that you would get a mob to lie?

I didnt say that you said you would? I correctly quoted you as saying you can

You didn't answer me when I said, if you say to airport security that you can explode a bomb, they will not let you through. People (at least decent people who are not drunk on cocktails) do not say that they can do something that is illegal.

You keep on saying that your words were taken out of context, but in the very context what did you mean? You have not said that your words mean anything other than what you said. I know it is a fictitious situation but in that fictitious situation you were told that the airlines record their announcements and if you were not careful they could call security for you.

What you nitwits need to realise is that people come on this site to get ideas as to how to go about getting compensation, not to see airline stooges trying to put a stop to complaints? Do the airlines pay you Silent Bob for the work that you do here?

What I do not understand is why the administrator of this site tolerates these consumer adverse posts from you and mars and mickeymouse. They shoudl kick you three off this site, and let you form you own "DefendTheAirlines" site, and leave this site for people who are complaining and members who genuinely want to assist them, and not diehard airline supporters, who have another agenda other than assisting passengers.

And you're still doing it, that's beyond sad and really I should hit the report button on you.All the evidence points to you makingthis board a joke and really your just being a waste of space.

READ THE ENTIRE STATEMENT!!!!! It wasn't me BEGGING for a voucher. how hard is that to comprehend? Are you even capable of taking anything into context? I highly doubt it, I seriously highly doubt it. But here it is for you to read, and please read the entire statement which is a reply to Airline's idea of giving vouchers to the nearest concessions.


Now about that bomb question, it has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. Start over, re-read everything and then get back to me.


And what you need to realize is that this particular section is for open discussion, the REST OF THE BOARD is for complaints, suggestions. But of course you don't read anything you just jump in, without knowing what's going on and that's pathetic.


What I don't understand is why are you still here if you don't like what's going on. Here's a challenge for you. "Make it happen" if you can get us and everyone kicked off. Or better yet push for the mods to close off any replies. And also you're not assisting your complaining on top of complaining, which doesn't help anyone. You're just sad, so sad. Now I'm officially done with you.

Silent Bob,

All you have done here is to regurgitate the same garbage and say to read the statment. Are you still under the influence? Or are you just plain stupid? Don't you see the points I raised? I have read your statement.

If you meant something other than what the words, "Why cant I have a voucher" meant, why cant you say what you meant. Is it that you mean that you were not begging for yourself but just voicing that some passengers woudl beg for it?

If so, what the heck does it matter? It is all a fictitious scenario, or did that escape you?

The bomb question has everythng to do with what you said, and so does the Wendy's finger case. Mickey Mouse sought to defend you by saying that all you said was that you can do something and that you didnt say you would. I tried to point out to you (but You may not have been sober - and I accept that as an excuse) that it is just a question of semantics if you use the word "can". You simply can't threaten an act that would be illegal. I used the example of the passenger going through security saying in jest that he had a bomb, because this actually happened and the passenger was not allowed on the flight and was instead arrested and charged even though he had no bomb and so could nto have intended to do it. True Mickey Mouse may have been in he Magic kindgom when he made that post, but let him know of the actual case.

I dont want the Administrator to do anything like kicking you off, that is their call. I just dont understand why. And I didnt say everyone. I said you Mars and Mickey Mouse. So far those are the three I see talking absolute rubbish, trying to dissuade passengers from making legitimate claims. If the Administrators want people like you and Mars and Mickey Mouse here so be it

Maybe they want passengers to see how stupid airline sympathizers are.

It's sad that you still don't get it. But hey far be it from me to tell you otherwise. Like I said if you wanna keep playing this game, go right ahead, you only hurt yourself in the long run. And as far as the kicking off comment, actually you were the one that brought that up.

What I do not understand is why the administrator of this site tolerates these consumer adverse posts from you and mars and mickeymouse. They shoudl kick you three off this site, and let you form you own "DefendTheAirlines" site, and leave this site for people who are complaining and members who genuinely want to assist them, and not diehard airline supporters, who have another agenda other than assisting passengers.

Wow your so pathetic that you don't even read your own comments. Are you now taking your own words out of context? Has it really gotten to that point?

Sorry dude the only person who is showing any stupidity is you, and your alter-ego Airline.

Silent bob

It seems you really are a dimwit. Its not just the alcohol. Maybe the alcohol destroyed your brain.

Yes it is my view that the administrators should kick you off. It doesn mean that I want it. Its their call. I'm not going to ask anyone to kick you off. I'm now trying to find a reason why they keep posters like you on what should be a consumer oriented site. They must think your presence here fits in with the overall objective of the site. And I conclude that it shows customers what idiots airline stooges like you are

I think you oughta take what you just said and apply it to you, now your even backpeddling your own statements. Now that's funny lol First you want us kicked off, now your saying you don't and resorting to name calling, who's showing their stupidity? *points to sinbad* two, this is an open forum, if you don't like it you can leave, no one is forcing you to stay.

And trust me, the only idiot here, is you..... and its sad, just sad.......

I didn't backpeddle on anything. When you sober up, read what i said again. I only expressed the view that you have no businness here with that airline defence nonsense. If your airline defences were constructive, I could understand, but they are absolute nonsense and could only come from a brain damaged by alcohol.

Seriosly, you keep on talking about your drinking. Is it that you want help for your drinking problem? Well if it is I am totlly sympathetic. But you are on the wrong site.

Isnt there an Alcoholics Anonymous in your area?

First you misconstrue my words, then your own words, backpeddle off your own statements and then bring my drinking into the conversation (Just like when your brought up the bomb scenario? LMAO!!!!!), which has nothing to do with anything, again you simply don't get it. Look quit while your ahead, really. You're making it worse for yourself. It just shows how childish your being and really, doesn't help your case, only hurts it.


So its over, reply if you want. But you have lost. Just pack it in, go outside and get some fresh air (just as I am about to do) and try again on another topic, because clearly you can't handle this one. Clearly!

Pathetic.

Silent Bob,


All you can say is
"You misquote me"
"Look at the context"
"You lose"
"You fail"
"Sad"
"Pathetic"
and I can't forget

"I'm drinking cocktails"

You have not been able to say what you really meant when you asked why can't you get a voucher or that you can get your mob to lie to the airline. If you meant something other than the real meaning of the words you woudl ahve been able to say so.

And you still dont get it the bomb scenario was to show that if you make a threat to do something illegal, you can find yourself in trouble, even though you did not say that you would do it or had any real intention of doing it. But you are too much of a numbskull to figure that out.

Can't the airlines get anyone with sense to come in here to defend them.

You three clowns are in effect doing them a disservice and I am more and more convinced that this is why the administrators allow dunderheads like you to post on this site.

Actually you haven't been saying anything, because everything you say is completely wrong. So very, very, very wrong.

Epic FAIL.

Look at my posts and look at yours. Are you such a nutcase that you can't see that it's you have not been saying anything except context, misquote, fail, lose, and I have been making several points to which you cannot utter a word in reply?

Listen Lummox,

If you want to walk out of this without looking like the witless worm that you are, start replying to the points I am making instead of being a tiresome twerp with you "Context" "Fail" and other one word answers.

BTW how are your alcoholics anonymous meetings?


Drunken Master: Hi I'm Bob
Chorus: Hi Bob


Don't give up.