[Silent Bob]

Well, next time I'm traveling I'll be sure to inquire about my "bar vouchers". Probably the airlines need a genius to tell them that if they want passengers to stay around at the gate during a delay, they should give out vouchers redeemable only at a concession near to that gate.

What if you're at a gate where there are no concessions nearby? What if you're at a gate with a Mcdonalds, but you only eat kosher? What about people with strict diets? What if you're only concession is a bar, really wouldn't wanna bring children and babies, would you? What if you're near a BBQ place and you're a strict Vegetarian? See why you can't be specific?

It always amuses me that gate agents often use the "everyone else" heard the announcement as if they are suggesting that the person was lying. If they heard the announcement, do you think they deliberately missed the flight; decided to ignore it or had cooked up some dastardly scheme to make Delta look bad?

It amuses everyone Jim, but it wasn't funny when it happened to me. However I didn't push blame on anyone because I was on the phone, forgot the time and thinking "well they did say estimate time was such and such", so I went back at that time and wouldn't ya know? Gone! No one is saying that people miss their flight on purpose, but it happens and just like we expect the airlines to keep us posted on delays, why is it difficult for us to check back at the gate for the updates? I made the mistake once, hasn't happened again.

[AirlinesMustPay]

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

What if you're at a gate where there are no concessions nearby? What if you're at a gate with a Mcdonalds, but you only eat kosher? What about people with strict diets? What if you're only concession is a bar, really wouldn't wanna bring children and babies, would you? What if you're near a BBQ place and you're a strict Vegetarian? See why you can't be specific?

Bob, what if, what if, what if ... ? For some, for every solution there is a problem. That's why I say I should be the genius the airlines hire to sort out these problems.

The airline issues vouchers for the nearest concession, and for those passengers who have strict dietary requirements, they usually walk with their own food and snacks anyway, or they can be warned that if they need to go further to get food, they must head back immediately to the gate area.

[Silent Bob]

That's why I say I should be the genius the airlines hire to sort out these problems.

No, trust me you have not solved the problem, because if if this idea went through you'd be a laughing stock and opening yourself to more problems over something that can be so simple. You say the airlines should give vouchers for the nearest concessions is a joke, totally laughable. Again re-read what I wrote. And the what if's matter because these are questions that will come up if you tried to implement such an idea. You can't just come up with an idea and NOT wonder "what if".

Here is what I mean: a week ago, I took a flight on Continental that left out of gate 115, if you know newark it's waaaaaaaay in and down a level. You know the "nearest" concession at the time is a pizza shop and a coffee place. For most that's reasonable, right? So now let's implement your idea. We give vouchers for the coffee house and/or pizza shop. But much further away is a Ruby's burger place, why can't I get a voucher there? up and to the left of that is La petit Bistro (I love that place) why can't I get a voucher there? These places are not that close yet not that far that I can't get something and go right back. These are the "what if's" you will avoid if you just give a voucher for wherever and not be specific, yet also let the passengers know to be back within a certain time for updates or boarding because of the slot.

And it's true that most people with Strict dietery needs MIGHT carry all their foods, again "what if" (there it is again) they didn't or forget to bring food. Or because its a delay what if they eat all their provisions...... that "specific" voucher will anger a lot of people.

Airline genuis.... If you can't think outside the box... then genius you are not.

[AirlinesMustPay]

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

But much further away is a Ruby's burger place, why can't I get a voucher there? up and to the left of that is La petit Bistro (I love that place) why can't I get a voucher there?

Well Bob, you yourself said you didn't even care for the $8 voucher. I thought you were one of the self-sufficient Americans who didn't need to be taken care of. It seems that deep down you are a wimp/whiner/complainer/griper like the rest of us, and are begging for a voucher for Ruby's and La Petit Bistro.

Someone suggested that the 5 were using the vouchers to have a last drink at the bar. Whether that was the case or not, the airline doesn't want people wandering far in a situation like this. So between the pizza shop and coffee house, you must be able to get slices of pizza or sandwiches and coffee or soda for $8 each. If you love the bistro, or if you are looking for kosher food, that's just fine. I understand that because I myself love the smell of Cuban pot roast and the latin music at La Carreta in Miami International. But now that I have been told to get back immediately, if I decided to go there, I may have to get it "take out" and return to eat it at the boarding area.

If I was the airline representative, people wanting to go further than the pizza shop and coffee house will be doing that at their own expense and at their own risk, and I will warn them to hurry back, because now that I've told you to be back here, there are no vouchers to give out if you are late (I might even charge you a change of date fee if you miss this flight).

[Silent Bob]

First, yes i did say I don't need the airlines $8 voucher and stand by that. What you did was try and take something I said about your "genius" statement and turn it back on me, which equals "Fail". The statement you mis-quoted was in response to your quote about the "what if's" and the response you should expect if you only offer a voucher to a specific place rather than just anywhere. In my statement there's nothing that says I was talking about myself. Please, if your gonna quote me, quote me while staying in the context of my statement rather than going off and talking about something irrelevant. Now let me show you how's it's done "properly" (pay attention now):

If I was the airline representative, people wanting to go further than the pizza shop and coffee house will be doing that at their own expense and at their own risk, and I will warn them to hurry back, because now that I've told you to be back here, there are no vouchers to give out if you are late (I might even charge you a change of date fee if you miss this flight).

Your quote:

My response: Two things wrong with that statement: First, you will again anger a lot of folk who may not want to eat at the places you say they should. And why should they eat where you tell them too? Why not give the option to eat where they want AND get back in time in case they can take off earlier?

Second, if the delay is about 2 hours, the airlines will say you can go away but stay close or come back in ten minutes or so for updates, which means no food vouchers, which means you will pay out of your own pocket for meals. Sat through many of those. So what voucher are you talkin about? Another meal voucher? Or is it that $500 travel certificate you've been tryin to sell? If it's weather, the airlines won't give it, especially that much. (though it would be an awfully kind suggestion). If it's mechanical, maybe, possibly they'd give. But then again you're sayin "If you were the airline representative". Now I'd honestly pay money to see you as the rep, I'm sure it would be a very good show and even make my delay worthwhile.

See how it's done?

Oh and there is a third - so you're saying if you were the rep you would threaten to charge people on an already delayed flight should they miss it because they were getting something to eat? (I sense a "what if?") But what if they went to eat at the places you gave them vouchers for? what if it's a long line (assuming there were a lot of vouchers given out)? You're gonna tell the passenger "tough, I told you so." hehehehehe yea I'd definitely pay money to see that.

[AirlinesMustPay]

Bob, you were begging for a voucher for La petit Bistro. This is what you said:

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

to the left of that is La petit Bistro (I love that place) why can't I get a voucher there?

Why dont you good airline people get it? Your methods are not working! Of course it is true that announcements should be made and passengers should listen.

But that is not sufficient. The OP, a Delta employee said that five people were left behind. We are talking about a situation where Delta had to find five free seats on the next flight for them. Obviously these flights are full because he talked about standby passengers on the first flight. So by not being able to manage the situation, you are depriving the airline of revenue for the 5 seats that they had to use on the next flight.

When there is a delay we all know that agents are hard to find. Maybe they are somewhere inside relaxing, drinking coffee, but they should be within sight to answer questions, reminding passengers to stay near the gate. When passengers see a deserted gate, they are more likely to wander away.

My method will save the airline having to compensate complaining passengers who got left behind. That's $500 saved per passenger. Since I warned them to stay near the gate (I'm not seeing Judge or any airline employee say that they do that) and handed out vouchers, I'm not going to be putting them free just like that on any other flight, And Bob, about the cost of the $8, didn't you say that Continental already does that at Newark? So about the $1,600 cost, you say it's already being done. But it is done without any forethought, because like Judge said, once it is a voucher for use anywhere, people will use it to sit in a bar and miss their flights.

I don't understand why Judge thinks I have to negotiate a new contract if I am shifted to another area. On behalf of the airline, I have already negotiated with all the Food Vendors and keep on computer a list of all vendors near each gate. Regardless of who is at which gate, the agent will go to the computer and print the vouchers valid only for those vendors for that date. The agent collects the used vouchers immediately after the flight leaves.

This thread shows me that part of the problems of airlines are caused by agents not being able to think of simple solutions to assist passengers. All this "Sorry Sir" and "Sorry Madam" with their heads high in the air, comes from not understanding their role in what should be a customer oriented industry. When they see that their jobs are to get things done efficiently, they might begin to look for solutions to simple problems like these.

Now if I was the airline manager (I've been promoted), I would call the agent responsible, and ask if he specifically told all passengers that they should remain at the gate (I will also ask the passengers), and if he can't convince me that he did, I will give each passenger a $500 voucher and deduct this from the agent's salary.

[Silent Bob]

Sad, just sad. I said if you are gonna quote me, quote me in the context of the discussion, there wasno begging by me or anyone, read the entire statement. All of which were in response to your giving vouchers to concessions near the gate.

Here is what I mean: a week ago, I took a flight on Continental that left out of gate 115, if you know newark it's waaaaaaaay in and down a level. You know the "nearest" concession at the time is a pizza shop and a coffee place. For most that's reasonable, right? So now let's implement your idea. We give vouchers for the coffee house and/or pizza shop. But much further away is a Ruby's burger place, why can't I get a voucher there? up and to the left of that is La petit Bistro (I love that place) why can't I get a voucher there? These places are not that close yet not that far that I can't get something and go right back. These are the "what if's" you will avoid if you just give a voucher for wherever and not be specific, yet also let the passengers know to be back within a certain time for updates or boarding because of the slot.

The airlines methods may not work perfectly, but they work in the sense as to not create total chaos or total loss of business, which is what your methods seem to show Airline.

And Bob, about the cost of the $8, didn't you say that Continental already does that at Newark? So about the $1,600 cost, you say it's already being done. But it is done without any forethought, because like Judge said, once it is a voucher for use anywhere, people will use it to sit in a bar and miss their flights.

The last time they offered meal vouchers, it was for a delay more than 3 hours. I believe most airlines follow that rule already. And i don't believe they would use it to sit in a bar and we've all agreed that gate agents should inform passengers, during a delay when to come back for updates. (at least i think we agree on that?)

Now if I was the airline manager (I've been promoted), I would call the agent responsible, and ask if he specifically told all passengers that they should remain at the gate (I will also ask the passengers), and if he can't convince me that he did, I will give each passenger a $500 voucher and deduct this from the agent's salary.

Soooooooo you would fine the agent, because he did not tell the passengers to stay near the gate? Not only that, but he has to convince you that he (or she) did? Yea your solutions suck and you sir are a joke times 20. But I will say that, I definitely would love to fly your airline, especially out of the NY/NJ area. given the amount of delays here I would score a voucher every time. Not only that, but I can get my fellow passengers to state that the agent did not announce for us to stay near the gate. 1 person can't be convincing but a mob can, and by your methods, we'd all get 500 vouchers.

You sir are not only FAIL, but as the kids say, you are EPIC FAIL. But please start that airline company soon, ok?

[AirlinesMustPay]

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

The last time they offered meal vouchers, it was for a delay more than 3 hours. I believe most airlines follow that rule already. And i don't believe they would use it to sit in a bar and we've all agreed that gate agents should inform passengers, during a delay when to come back for updates. (at least i think we agree on that?)

I definitely would love to fly your airline, especially out of the NY/NJ area. given the amount of delays here I would score a voucher every time. Not only that, but I can get my fellow passengers to state that the agent did not announce for us to stay near the gate. 1 person can't be convincing but a mob can, and by your methods, we'd all get 500 vouchers.

Bob, you've gone from begging for vouchers to trickery. Now that I know we are dealing with a trickster, it's a good time to tell you that some airlines record all their announcements. And with me as manager, we'll be sure to record all our announcements. If there was any doubt, I'll resolve it in favour of the passenger. So the agent had better stay at the gate and every ten minutes remind all passengers to stay near the gate for further boarding instructions.

Judge, a former airline supervisor, thought they were using vouchers for a last round at the bar. I believe him that this is sometimes done.

With me in charge you'll get no $500 vouchers, because when you get left behind because you were on your phone or in the bistro, you'll have yourself to blame because my agents will have been warning you to stay around at the gate. You'll have to pay for the change if you want to go on another flight, and if you're not careful, I might even call airport security for you and your mob. Instead of a hotel voucher, you might be spending the night courtesy the state of New York in a cell in the police station (but I can't guarantee that you'll like the accommodations there) and next morning appear in a Court to answer the charge of making a fraudulent claim.

[AirlinesMustPay]

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

Sad, just sad. I said if you are gonna quote me, quote me in the context of the discussion, there wasno begging by me or anyone, read the entire statement. All of which were in response to your giving vouchers to concessions near the gate.



The airlines methods may not work perfectly, but they work in the sense as to not create total chaos or total loss of business, which is what your methods seem to show Airline.



The last time they offered meal vouchers, it was for a delay more than 3 hours. I believe most airlines follow that rule already. And i don't believe they would use it to sit in a bar and we've all agreed that gate agents should inform passengers, during a delay when to come back for updates. (at least i think we agree on that?)




Soooooooo you would fine the agent, because he did not tell the passengers to stay near the gate? Not only that, but he has to convince you that he (or she) did? Yea your solutions suck and you sir are a joke times 20. But I will say that, I definitely would love to fly your airline, especially out of the NY/NJ area. given the amount of delays here I would score a voucher every time. Not only that, but I can get my fellow passengers to state that the agent did not announce for us to stay near the gate. 1 person can't be convincing but a mob can, and by your methods, we'd all get 500 vouchers.

You sir are not only FAIL, but as the kids say, you are EPIC FAIL. But please start that airline company soon, ok?

Silent Bob

This is what you said. You can get your fellow passengers to state that the agent did not announce for you to stay near the gate.


This is a fictitious scenario in which scenario you participated and where you were a passenger. And what you were clearly saying that in this scenario you "can" get your fellow passengers to lie against the agent.

It is only a question of semantics whether you used the word "can". If you did lie you would be in the same category as the Wendy customers - lying to make a false claim.

If while going through airport security you say something like "I can explode this bomb" pointing to your bag you can be sure that even if there is not a bomb in the bag, they will not let you through security.

If while in an argument you say, "I can get my mob to beat you", The fact that you use the word can and not "will" does not save you.

You cant threaten to d something illegal.

If you are charged you can try bringing your MIckey mouse lawyer from Orlando to convince the judge that you had no intention of doing it.

But in a discussion like this, it is at leave a very inappropriate remark to make to say you can get your mob to do something that is in effect to make a fraudulent claim if you actually did it.It shows the kind of person you are

[Silent Bob]

Sinbad, I didn't say i would get a mob to lie against the agent "just to do it", I said what I said in response to a already hypothetical situation (Airlinemustpay pretending to be an airline rep). Read everything slowly and yee shall understand.

What I find most curious and I think others will to is how you both seem to have this strange ability to pick things out of a paragraph and somehow take it completely out of context to what was said..... dare I say that you are one and the same? I think given the evidence from the discussion it would appear so.

Or have you both banded together just to get a rise out of the group? It would seem the only thing you have done is shown your ignorance by ignoring simple forum conduct, which is "read before you type". Like why would you reply to something and not know what we're talking about and then take a phrase and twist it in such a way as to "attempt" to make the other person look bad, again, sadly it doesn't. Not only do you lose credibility, but you make it so no one will respond and/or ignore you.

So if you wanna keep playing this game, be my guest. I'm just gonna sit back with my cocktail and enjoy the fallout of both you (or just the one person) being the laughing jokes of this board. And believe me... you are.

[AirlinesMustPay]

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

I was on the phone, forgot the time and thinking "well they did say estimate time was such and such", so I went back at that time and wouldn't ya know? Gone!

Gromit just said we have two ears and two eyes and only one mouth. I agree fully. We should be listening twice as much and looking twice as much as using our mouths. But here is Bob using his mouth to be on the phone, using his mouth to eat in a Bistro far from the gate, using his mouth to beg for vouchers and he just used his mouth to mobilize passengers to make a fraudulent claim. Now he will be using his mouth to explain to the Judge why he should not spend some time in jail. Remember the customers who found a finger at Wendy's. They got nine years in jail each. That's what you're now looking at Bob. I don't think Bob will any longer be an airline sympathizer as the airline has caused him to go in jail. Bob, in 9 years time when you get out, you can ask the Administrator of this site to remove the "Airline Sympathizer" tag.

[Silent Bob]

Gromit just said we have two ears and two eyes and only one mouth. I agree fully. We should be listening twice as much and looking twice as much as using our mouths. But here is Bob using his mouth to be on the phone, using his mouth to eat in a Bistro far from the gate, using his mouth to beg for vouchers and he just used his mouth to mobilize passengers to make a fraudulent claim. Now he will be using his mouth to explain to the Judge why he should not spend some time in jail. Remember the customers who found a finger at Wendy's. They got nine years in jail each. That's what you're now looking at Bob. I don't think Bob will any longer be an airline sympathizer as the airline has caused him to go in jail. Bob, in 9 years time when you get out, you can ask the Administrator of this site to remove the "Airline Sympathizer" tag.

Again you misquote me and again you keep getting it wrong, it's really quite sad. I admit that I missed my flight because I was on the phone, again read the ENTIRE statement, don't pick and choose then misconstrue it to your own effect (which really isn't helping your case in any way), show me where I stated that I "begged" for a voucher? Again reread the entire statement. LOL Where did the Wendy's finger case and me being sent to jail 9 years come in? Dude you make absolutely no sense. But thanks for the laugh.

Super Epic Fail

[AirlinesMustPay]

Originally Posted by Silent Bob

Where did the Wendy's finger case and me being sent to jail 9 years come in? Dude you make absolutely no sense.

Super Epic Fail

SilentBob,

You did say something to the effect that you and other passengers would get together to lie against the agent to say that there were no announcements, in order to get $500 vouchers. It seems to me that the similarity to the Wendys finger case is that the customers there lied about finding a finger in their bowl of chili in order to make a false claim.

You might have been joking, of course (although I don't hear you say so), but from how I see it Mr Airlinesmustpay is using whatever you say to poke some fun at you and he appears to be succeeding.